Guess what! Michael Edmonson, who worked on the Expelled movie, has taken credit for the creation of the hilarious Beware the Believers video. Bloggasm has the scoop.
And for those who haven’t yet seen the video, here you go:
Whether you side with science or Intelligent Design, I think we can all agree that I really like this video.
Casey Luskin did return my email. He said he’d been travelling, hence the delay. I won’t post it, since I haven’t asked for permission and he is quite polite and gentle. In a nutshell, he claims I misunderstood him. He was only trying to rebut Dawkins’ claim that ID proponents only (Luskin’s word) mention God as the Designer in private. Now, maybe, since I apparently have a history of misunderstanding, I’m also misunderstanding Dawkins, because I can’t find where his article says that.
But, oh well. At the moment I am quite tired and am in no form to reply, so I will put that off for a while, if I feel like continuing. I just wanted, in the interest of full disclosure, to make sure everyone knows that Casey did not ignore my email, but that his response was still not convincing to me.
The following quotes, collected from real live Creationists, pretty much speak for themselves. Some might be funnier in their original context, so just click the source link following each quote. If you need help understanding why they’re funny, let me know. And I’m not doing this specifically to ridicule anyone or be mean. I just want to point out how these people are giving Christianity a bad name and making the world a worse place.
It’s said that man and dinosaurs didn’t live at the same time, well what do we call the Mammoth? Isn’t it called a dinosaur? [Source]
What does evolution teach? It all started in some primeval soup, that’s where life began and evolved from there, is that not correct? If you so no then your a liar or don’t know what your talking about. And I want to thank you for showing that evolution is incorrect by saying “There’s tons of historical research and genetic history that proves that Mammals and Reptiles are two expressively different breeds” .because if everything started at one point in time and everything evolved from that point then how can you get very specific different spices sense all life started as one single organism until it came upon land and evolved from there? So thanks for proving my point, because that couldn’t happen. [Source]
…I suppose you are one of the people who thinks seperation of church and state is written in the constitution. I suppose you also believe some freakin atom exploding magically into a large complex universe, with various life forms, explains the creation of the world. If you do then gues what buddy you believe in God, because call it what you like, that atom was the force which created all of this. It is disgraceful that there are people in this country who do not believe in God, after all it is written “One Nation Under God” right in our pledge….[Source]
To all the agnostiests…YOU HAVE NOTHING!…you have NO facts and no PROOF of evolution as you such claim…every new species we find is always found deep in the ocean or on a remote island - how come we find NO new species in DOWNTOWN DETROIT??? [Source]
Sometimes I wish I could come along with a big ole bucket of common sense and pour it over the world’s evolutionists. [Source]
So if ID evolved from creationism, what’s your beef? Isn’t that the way evolution is supposed to work? [Source]
I just amazes me that people would fight to the death to be able to claim that their ancestry came from a monkey. Why would anyone want to believe such unproven theory? Do you guys really hate God so much that you would rather believe you came from a monkey than admit He created you? That’s really hard for me to believe and very sad. What’s worse is when you go back further than the monkey…everything came out of slim. So is that how much you are worth….are you worth only slim? God says you were made in His image which would make you worth much! [Source]
If Evolution were true, 1. no one could argue, and 2. no one could be right or wrong if arguing. Weeds growing in the yard don’t argue. [Source]
you said “Also, you’re quite wrong about if evolution is true nobody could argue: Relativity is true, and yet plenty of peple argued about it, and still do to this day. There are a few “anti-Relativity” kooks out there, believe me.”
So why should I even listen to anything you say if all is relative? Are you truly consistent in believing that everything is relative? Then is saying “everything is relative” itself a relative statement, therefore there can be absolute truths? Wow…[Source]
In my heart of hearts.
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After Casey responded to my email on Monday, I sent him a response which outlined why I thought he was being dishonest.
Casey,
Thank you for forgiving me. I was admittedly a jerk, and have no way of knowing what your motives really are. Also, thank you for responding to my email.
Here is what is happening as I see it:
1. Stein asks Dawkins if there’s any way ID could be correct.
2. Dawkins says that it could only be true if aliens seeded earth with the first life.
3. Stein ridicules Dawkins.
4. Dawkins explains that ID proponents often mention that aliens could well have been responsible for the design they see in life.
5. You write a post significantly downplaying the fact that they (especially Dembski) say this.If Dawkins is ridiculed for bringing up aliens, why shouldn’t Dembski be ridiculed?
I think it’s wrong to say that Dawkins “gives away the store”. I don’t see how anyone could get that from what Dawkins said. If aliens seeded the first life on earth, the theory of evolution would still hold true.
Also, you cite your Google search as if that’s evidence that ID proponents rarely if ever say that aliens could have been the Designer. But your search was for a phrase in quotes. That’s the only way that Dawkins’ article could have been the only result. Dawkins wasn’t trying to quote anyone directly, he was simply saying that this is the kind of thing ID proponents have been known to say. I don’t see the point of searching for the phrase in quotes, except to dishonestly misrepresent the search results. Please explain this to me.
The links I sent show the kinds of things you would have found if you had searched in earnest for evidence of ID proponents citing the possibility of alien designers.
On an unrelated note, I work in SODO, not far from you guys. Isn’t it nice how the weather turned around today?
Jason
That was two days ago. I have yet to recieve a reply. He was pretty quick to answer my email when for all he knew I was just some raving lunatic. What’s going on now? Maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned that I work in SODO? Could that be construed as creepy? I was trying to be genteel. Maybe he got very busy after I sent my reply? I don’t know.
This actually makes me angry.
Today I read a blog post by Casey Luskins in which he lies his creationist titty ass off. As I’ve said before, Win Ben Stein’s Integrity makes fun of Richard Dawkins for saying that the only way Intelligent Design could be true is if space aliens, who themselves had evolved, had seeded earth with the first life.
Dawkins responded to this ridicule with an op-ed, saying basically what I said before, only better.
Now that the truth is out there, Luskin tries to deny, or at least de-emphasize, the the things his colleagues have said. How does he try to prove that Dawkins is wrong? He googles a phrase from Dawkins’ op-ed, “For all we know, the designer might be an alien from outer space.” With quotes around it. Let me repeat that. WITH QUOTES AROUND IT!!!!
I can’t include a picture of Luskin in this post, because I am at work, and Luskin is A GIANT EMEFFING TIT.
Luskin thinks it’s telling that he only gets one search result for his query. But Dawkins wasn’t quoting anyone specifically. He was merely showing the kind of thing ID proponents say!
The truth is that ID proponents often say things like that. Especially William Dembski. They have to, otherwise they’d be confused for creationists (they are). What can I do when I catch someone is such an outright blatant lie? All I can do is tell you people. And email Casey.
Casey,
In the blog post [in the subject line], you clearly misrepresent the truth, or you just don’t know how to use Google. In any case, you should probably watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
=6j_SD1EgcUI Or read this: http://www.discovery.org/a/1283
Or read Dembski’s The Design Inference.
Or stop lying.
–
Jason J Brunet
There was another option I didn’t suggest because I didn’t want to be considered part of the The Machine. And that option is to shut the hell up.
Edit: Casey responded to my email, and actually called me out for accusing him of lying, as it is a serious thing. And he’s right. I apologized to him by email, and even though I don’t think he’s read this post, I am apologizing here for the things I said about him in this post and in the comments. I don’t think it would be right to take it down, since I said it and have to own up to it. But from now on I will be endeavoring NOT to make fun of him. But I still do think he’s wrong and have more than an inkling that he’s not being completely honest.
Here is my African Knife Fish, Xenomystus nigri. I am completely enthralled by his undulating fin!
And yes, I know it’s dirty. I have a diatom problem.
Does anyone have Skype? I’d kind of like to try it out on my new machine and new internet. My username is jeffthefishdotcom.
At this time.
